Comments on: TAAKE vs KREATOR

By: Knarf

Knarf — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:26:00 +0000

44. Lack Of intelligence??? I guess it is a response to this disgusting Modern world we live in and the closet christians out there. Homo Homoni Lupus.

By: Mithras

Mithras — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:30:50 +0000

VVinterI\Iight, you just proved your lack intelligence to all of us. If you don’t know what to do, you throw the word “socialism” and a bunch of insults in, and all is fine.

Oh, and I’m not American, and if you think Obama is a socialist… well, you don’t know what socialism is anyway.

By: VVinterI\Iight

VVinterI\Iight — Wed, 26 May 2010 00:09:50 +0000

Our friend Mithras is how you say, Incognito Communist? Yes! He must be an American Democrat and probably voted for Osama. National SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM is the keyword no matter what Mithras or anyone says! The Left saying that National Socialism has nothing to do with Socialism in any context or way is the Left trying so desperately hard to distance themselves from the Nazis as they’ve tried so very hard since VVVV2 ended. An academic historical scholar as myself KNOWS that this IS what these rat weasels do because they do it in ALL school books, history books. But Mithras and his kind will do whatever they can to defend the Left swinging dicks. Hoest, keep the TNBM spilling like the blood of the Lamb. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law! Nattestid!!!!

By: Wulfsark

Wulfsark — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:13:10 +0000

Above all, swastika is, at the beginning, an antic asian symbol for the sun. About this controversy, just forget… Taake said that they were not a political band, so think about the norwegian forests, the cold wind and the snow, THIS is how you should feel Taake’s music.

Mithras, I agree with you, for most of the points. I think intelligent people should think about their own way to improve life, not to be attached to “left, right, far left, far right”.

By: VYAL

VYAL — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:53:09 +0000

I think TAAKE is a great band, but what do i know. The explanation given for the use of a swastika seemed interesting enough. It is kind of funny that people forget the simple fact that BALCK METAL is based on SHOCK…. People were shocked when KISS ( yes i know they’re not BM) came out did it in the 70s. The use of Satanic imagery i’snt enough anymore. How many black metal bands owe all they do nowadays to GENE SIMMONS….
Blowing fire, SPiting Blood, Corpse paint……I wana see TAKKE open up for KISS….. And maybe get a KISS song with a Blast beat in it….. FUCK PEOPLE FUCK IMAGE HAVE FUN…….. THEN DIE….

By: panzerassault

panzerassault — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:08:46 +0000

if you don’t take Kreator’s songs seriously, then don’t take Taake’s swastika thing serious.

By: Mithras

Mithras — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:44:26 +0000

Okay, so I’ll respond to panzerassault’s post.
Don’t give me that shit about Nazis being leftists. It’s just not true. There is a point where you’re so far left that your actions resemble those of a fascist, just look at Stalin. Which is why I don’t approve of left wing extremism either. But the Nazis simply didn’t have anything to do with communism or socialism. Of course, their social politics had some socialist tendencies, but the system remained capitalist and in the hand of private people. Except if they were Jews or political adversaries, of course.
Which gets us to my point: Even if the Nazis had been socialist (which they were not – the used the word, but made up their own definition of “socialism”), it would have been socialism coupled with antisemitism and racism, and that is what’s my problem and Kreator’s problem too, being obviously very anti-racist. I know enough about Mille Petrozza to safely say he wouldn’t want a leftist dictatorship either. Being on the political left doesn’t always mean you’re a communist, as well as being on the political left could mean you’re a nazi, but also that you’re just a conservative. Get my point?
The problem is the racism… and the persecution of political adversaries, but that’s something the far left also does.

About Kreator songs… ever looked at the lyrics? “Flag of Hate” was written when the guys were still teenagers and is one of the typical “we’re so fucking thrash metal, kill the posers” things that were “cool” back then, and “Pleasure To Kill” is some zombie / Texas Chainsaw Massacre theme, so both are not actually meant to be taken seriously. And I don’t have a problem with violent imagery, most of it is either just fore pure fun or a metaphor for something else. I am, being very anti-religious myself, also fine with people making their point against religion, using violent imagery (although I think the “kill the Christians” is just stupid.) Racism obviously is not okay with me… if you throw Judaism as a religion in a sack with Christianity and Islam and hate against all that, okay, but the Nazis defined “Jews” as a race by heritage, not by religion, which doesn’t make any sense in the first place and is then openly racist. And blaming the Jews for all monotheist religions and for all the evil in the world is just plain stupid…

So I hope I made my point… it’d be interesting to know what Hoest would say to this. I don’t know, I like his music, but even if he’s not racist or anything I think he could still be a prick.

By: panzerassault

panzerassault — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:18:58 +0000

this is to Mithras.

if kreator is a politically left band, then Nazism should fit right in with them. Hitler was a nationalist, but his political ideals were very very left. He was a nationalist, but he was also a socialist, which is just short of communist. i like the band kreator, but i agree completely with Hoest when he said that a band that sings about “pleasure to kill” and “flag of hate” shouldn’t have a problem with a swastika, or something like that.

By: Mithras

Mithras — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:54:45 +0000

Alright, this statement really is news to me. To get it straight first: I can understand Kreator doing what they did. They didn’t ask anyone to kick Taake off the billing as far as I know. They didn’t want to play on the same day on the same stage as Taake, the rest is the organisator’s thing. So, considering Kreator is a band with pretty much a politically left background, and considering the fact that you can get REALLY much shit by (in the following case AFAIK unknowingly) playing on the same stage as a nazi band (I’m talking Shining and Ad Hominem on some wacky festival), I know and understand why Kreator did it. Also, Mille later stated he at this time doesn’t believe that you’re a nazi band any more, but he still think’s it’s okay you got your ass whipped for the swastika thing since it’s just stupid to play around with things like that. And I do support him on that one.I’ll explain why a little later.

On the other hand, I get your point about violent lyrics vs. the swastika. I think it’s the case that violent lyrics are mostly an abstract expression (come on, would you really rape a corpse… I doubt it), but nazism is a thing that a lot (= too many) people really believe in, so you should be careful with that if you don’t believe in it yourself. Also, to me preaching violence against humanity in general is much different from preaching violence against some people just because of the fucking heritage (see Nazis vs. Jews.) I’m just opposed to any discrimination based on things people can’t change, like race or sexual orientation. And Nazi ideology is not about “evil,” it’s about taking the freedom away that a lot of black metal so praises… believe me under a nazi government, metalheads would be among the first ones to be called supporters of “entartete Kunst” and be deported.
Also, I think this statement should have been released much earlier. If it is to be taken seriously and if I didn’t interpret anything wrongly, it clarifies a lot. The statement issued back then with all the “go suck a muslim” things just made things worse… if that was your goal, fine, you’ve reached it… but then there should be no reason for still being pissed off.

Calling the Nazi era “Germany’s biggest shame” is not something a Nazi sympathizer would do… if I got that right (correct me if not.) So, Taake is fine with me right now, I still think the swastika thing was pretty fucking stupid (and there was probably alcohol involved…), but I do understand Kreator and German festival officials (being German myself, I know what the swastika means here.) I also understand if you’re pissed off with the political left for starting witch unts all the time, but Hoest… you wanted it that way.
And for a good part of the ever-present “It’s black metal, they MUST be fascist”, blame the NSBM people who drag the reputation of black metal down.

By: the winter of mountain

the winter of mountain — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:28:01 +0000

fuck kreator is the losers of metal
the horder of taake !!!!!